(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[North American Ing Masters, Round 3, Board 4: Eric Lui 8d vs Jie Liang 7d]PW[Eric Lui]PB[Jie Liang]WR[8d]BR[7d]DT[2010-08-04]EV[North American Ing Masters]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[DLW]C[USGO4 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the North American Ing Masters Tournament in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.  This is round 3, board 4.  I'm Dave Weimer and I will be your game recorder today.
USGO4 [-\]: Start in about 10 minutes
USGO4 [-\]: start in a few minutes
sevrusblck [-\]: will someone tell me whats going on?
sevrusblck [-\]: like, comment on the game?
patrickn [4k\]: how can eric lui be 8d, isnt 7d the highest?
sevrusblck [-\]: not anymore
patrickn [4k\]: oh really?
sevrusblck [-\]: guess so lol
]RE[W+3.00]
;B[dp]
;W[pp]
;B[dc]C[diemorph [1d\]: this will be a great game
]
;W[df]
;B[pd]
;W[cc]
;B[cd]
;W[dd]
;B[de]C[phil2188 [5k\]: what was the 4th move?
]
;W[ed]
;B[ce]C[phil2188 [5k\]: c17?
]
;W[ee]C[nordlab [-\]: D14
]
;B[cb]C[phil2188 [5k\]: thx
]
;W[bc]
;B[bb]
;W[ec]
;B[db]C[hadlar [5d?\]: BTW anyone know what happened with jie li? why isn't he in congress?
]
;W[cf]
;B[bd]
;W[be]
;B[ac]
;W[fg]
;B[cm]
;W[jq]
;B[qn]
;W[np]
;B[pj]
;W[nc]
;B[qf]
;W[pb]
;B[qc]
;W[ld]
;B[qq]C[teabreak [2d\]: his wife will have a baby soon.
]
;W[qp]
;B[rp]
;W[pq]
;B[rr]
;W[qr]
;B[rq]
;W[fq]
;B[dq]
;W[fo]C[hadlar [5d?\]: ah, nice. thx for the info
]
;B[jo]C[evanj [2d\]: is it his?
]
;W[om]C[appleseeds [4k\]: too far, evanj
]
;B[pm]C[evanj [2d\]: apparently
]
;W[jm]
;B[gp]
;W[fp]
;B[hn]
;W[fm]
;B[iq]
;W[ir]
;B[jr]
;W[ip]
;B[hq]
;W[jp]
;B[hr]
;W[kr]
;B[is]
;W[go]
;B[kq]
;W[kp]
;B[fr]
;W[ol]
;B[lq]C[USGO4 [-\]: Time: b 60 min; w 48 min
]
;W[lp]
;B[on]
;W[nn]
;B[hl]
;W[jk]
;B[hj]C[hanayeol [4d\]:  blog for practical go http://realbaduk.com
]
;W[gk]
;B[hk]
;W[ji]
;B[fl]
;W[el]
;B[fk]
;W[ek]
;B[fj]
;W[ej]C[Chachi [2k\]: this is crazy
Chachi [2k\]: they are really reading ahead
]
;B[gh]
;W[ig]
;B[gg]
;W[gf]
;B[ff]
;W[hf]
;B[eg]
;W[ef]
;B[ei]
;W[gm]
;B[gl]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: that's what go is about at this level
]
;W[di]
;B[dh]
;W[dn]
;B[cn]
;W[fh]
;B[fi]
;W[ci]
;B[fe]
;W[gd]
;B[ch]
;W[bg]
;B[eh]
;W[fg]
;B[ii]C[USGO4 [-\]: Time: b 43 min, w 20 min
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;W[ih]
;B[jj]
;W[kj]
;B[ij]
;W[pk]
;B[kk]
;W[ki]
;B[jl]
;W[qj]
;B[lk]
;W[qb]
;B[mq]C[forte [5k\]: lol, they're competing to see who can tenuki more effectively
]
;W[qg]
;B[rg]
;W[qh]
;B[pf]
;W[ql]
;B[mp]
;W[mo]
;B[ho]C[Chachi [2k\]: m5 doesnt work
]
;W[bh]
;B[dj]
;W[hp]
;B[gq]C[haiku [1d\]: this is the end ?
]
;W[hm]
;B[lo]
;W[ko]
;B[kn]
;W[ln]
;B[io]
;W[lo]
;B[km]C[USGO4 [-\]: w in byo yomi
Chachi [2k\]: C9..
forte [5k\]: C9 may not be necessary
]
;W[dm]C[Chachi [2k\]: isnt white dead now if black cuts with the atari and then link up
Tabemasu [6d\]: if c9 then d8
Tabemasu [6d\]: this way w can live, g6 is sente
Chachi [2k\]: i am thinking c10 then b9
haiku [1d\]: beautiful
]
;B[ck]C[Chachi [2k\]: why d7... c9 was fine
]
;W[cl]C[Tabemasu [6d\]: Read what I said above
]
;B[bi]C[ogre [2d?\]: c5 works
ogre [2d?\]: w have 2 eyes
Chachi [2k\]: what does w gain from making 2 eyes instead of just linking up
]
;W[bl]C[forte [5k\]: c5, b8, then what?
ogre [2d?\]: then g6 k6 d5 
]
;B[co]C[haiku [1d\]: ???
]
;W[bj]
;B[cj]
;W[bk]C[forte [5k\]: that didn't give W two eyes...
ogre [2d?\]: yeah your right
strong10k [-\]: white good
]
;B[ai]
;W[im]
;B[jn]
;W[ci]
;B[en]C[miao [6d\]: lol
ogre [2d?\]: too bad tho. this wayis less pleasant for w to live
Chachi [2k\]: i dont understand why c9 was so bad
Chachi [2k\]: at all
Chachi [2k\]: being forced to live is almost always bad, isnt it?
]
;W[eo]C[forte [5k\]: yeah, me neither
Tabemasu [6d\]: c9 d8 d9 e7 d7 e6
]
;B[ga]C[Chachi [2k\]: reading above my level ><
Chachi [2k\]: dammit
]
;W[ha]C[Chachi [2k\]: thanks tabe
Tabemasu [6d\]: np
josek [7k?\]: what about g19h19?
josek [7k?\]: seems random to me
ogre [2d?\]: its a monkey jump
Chachi [2k\]: h19 is a tesuji? i never seen that
Micael [2k\]: early jose
martijn [11k?\]: yeah what is response to h18?
ogre [2d?\]: f19 j19 f18 
ogre [2d?\]: and kill b. hopefully
martijn [11k?\]: k thx
Micael [2k\]: hmm can b g18 here
Micael [2k\]: i mean and keep sente
]
;B[hb]C[Chachi [2k\]: this is it
]
;W[gb]C[Micael [2k\]: yep.. all or nothing
]
;B[fb]C[strong10k [-\]: ko
ogre [2d?\]: ohh
]
;W[fa]C[Chachi [2k\]: defying the monkey
]
;B[gc]C[ogre [2d?\]: touching the monkey
Micael [2k\]: hmm w e18
]
;W[hc]
;B[ga]C[ogre [2d?\]: q2 threat
]
;W[fc]C[Chachi [2k\]: ??
haiku [1d\]: B alive
ogre [2d?\]: ouch. this looks like a trainwreck
Micael [2k\]: nah. b can connect
Gould [2k\]: s15
haiku [1d\]: B alive ?
]
;B[ia]
;W[gb]
;B[di]
;W[aj]C[holynec [?\]: what do you think haiku
]
;B[gc]C[haiku [1d\]: The KO
]
;W[il]
;B[ik]
;W[gb]C[ogre [2d?\]: w has some lots of ko threats
ogre [2d?\]: against the b middle thing
]
;B[ea]
;W[ib]
;B[jb]
;W[ha]C[Chachi [2k\]: haha
strong10k [-\]: what if white m8
Chachi [2k\]: this ko keeps getting bigger and bigger
Micael [2k\]: more than some
daye [4d\]: looks like that white should m8 before b10
]
;B[gn]C[ogre [2d?\]: thats alot more complicated then the monkey jump i ever learned
Micael [2k\]: b have 1 eye
]
;W[fn]C[Micael [2k\]: if w plays first
]
;B[hb]C[Micael [2k\]: oh wait
Micael [2k\]: nope
Micael [2k\]: hmm
]
;W[pr]
;B[rm]
;W[ha]
;B[oo]C[holynec [?\]: black middle group not alive >:}
]
;W[no]
;B[hb]
;W[rl]C[ogre [2d?\]: black middle group alive
]
;B[qo]
;W[ha]C[ogre [2d?\]: m7 h12 miai
]
;B[nq]C[holynec [?\]: you are too strong!!
]
;W[op]C[Meepy [-\]: lol
]
;B[hb]C[daye [4d\]: if w had played m8 instead of a10, it would be different
]
;W[rs]
;B[so]
;W[ha]
;B[ml]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: wouldnt w die then?
daye [4d\]: m8 is gone
strong10k [-\]: this good
]
;W[mm]
;B[hb]C[daye [4d\]: m8 would kill one eye sente
]
;W[sr]
;B[sq]
;W[ha]C[strong10k [-\]: b7
no31: w n-7 why not at m-7?
no31: it protects cut 
strong10k [-\]: why m7?
no31: and threat b dragon
shoutan [2d?\]: is this the last game of Ing Master tonight?
]
;B[bm]C[no31: if w m-7, b has to make two eyes, right?
]
;W[al]
;B[hb]C[AetherSoul [4k\]: h12 easy two eyes
daye [4d\]: I like m7
icewater [1k\]: eric lui is prob not from aga federation cause his rank is 8d?
]
;W[rc]
;B[rd]C[ethanb [2d?\]: black has miai at M7 and H12, plus can run into the center to reduce white's moyo
]
;W[ha]
;B[rb]C[ethanb [2d?\]: I think Eric Lui's rank is 7d, but they accidentally put his rating
atreys [14k\]: I thought he was 7d yesterday
icewater [1k\]: ok that makes sense
daye [4d\]: n7 lost the chance to kill b's one eye sente again
]
;W[hb]
;B[rh]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yes, shoutan,  this is the last game in the room.
USGO2 [-\]: There's a fair crowd around it.
holynec [?\]: oooooo
holynec [?\]: USGO2, do you know why ing foundation is not supporting NAIM tihs year? :k
haiku [1d\]: S  18 very strange
forte [5k\]: financial trouble, probably
]
;W[ri]
;B[pi]C[Tabemasu [6d\]: s18 means B thinks he's winning
shoutan [2d?\]: usgo2, do you have other results?
shoutan [2d?\]: :)
USGO2 [-\]: I assume the financial crisis affected the Ing foundation's investments as it did everyone else's.
USGO2 [-\]: Results will be up in the crosstabs as soon as they are official...
]
;W[qi]C[haiku [1d\]: But could have gain the KO
shoutan [2d?\]: i c, thanks
USGO2 [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/
forte [5k\]: I know that's why there isn't a world Ing any more
]
;B[lg]C[Vash3G [-\]: the crosstabs have been updated for all but this game
forte [5k\]: *tournament, that is
SnC [2k\]: b leading?
]
;W[kf]C[fowat [5k\]: by a little i believe?
]
;B[qa]C[icewater [1k\]: q17
]
;W[pc]
;B[sc]
;W[mi]C[Tabemasu [6d\]: Hard for W to win I think
icewater [1k\]: usgo, what is the time situation?
haiku [1d\]: Yes B seems to be far ahead
USGO2 [-\]: No I think it is very close...
USGO2 [-\]: Within a handful of points.
Goprince [3d\]: really?
Tabemasu [6d\]: Not many points, but hard for W
]
;B[lf]C[shoutan [2d?\]: b seems leading a lot
ogre [2d?\]: i see q10 getting captured
USGO2 [-\]: Doesn't w still have n1 and e18 and other big endgame?
shoutan [2d?\]: b 69pts
shoutan [2d?\]: given n1 taken by w
]
;W[le]C[shoutan [2d?\]: w so far around 47pts
Tabemasu [6d\]: Are you counting captures?
wansenhe [1d\]: How about M 8 ,if white plays
shoutan [2d?\]: consider q10 should be 6 pts around
shoutan [2d?\]: yes I did
]
;B[og]C[shoutan [2d?\]: w has 53around
shoutan [2d?\]: even w gets e18, it is not enough
]
;W[nf]C[icewater [1k\]: it seems white is behind by about 7 points after taking into acount 7.5 komi
]
;B[ng]
;W[od]C[Tabemasu [6d\]: Well whatever the score is, it seems W can't win
icewater [1k\]: yes
shoutan [2d?\]: yes, it is true
]
;B[or]C[faintvoice [1k\]: o2 
ogre [2d?\]: m8 is some points for w
lmaJoking [6k\]: why didnt w play n14 before p16?
icewater [1k\]: n14 leads to black n13
]
;W[ll]C[icewater [1k\]: and then white 2 stones are bad shape
icewater [1k\]: and black is connected
lmaJoking [6k\]: black is connected regardless 0.o
]
;B[lm]
;W[mk]C[ogre [2d?\]: can w chop q10?
lmaJoking [6k\]: and why did b play m8?
lmaJoking [6k\]: m7 *
icewater [1k\]: kills eye there
icewater [1k\]: forces H12
haiku [1d\]: Try to Kill
]
;B[mj]C[lmaJoking [6k\]: i meant
lmaJoking [6k\]: why did b play m7
lmaJoking [6k\]: ah
lmaJoking [6k\]: i see
]
;W[nl]
;B[lj]C[lmaJoking [6k\]: nice sequence
]
;W[nj]
;B[li]C[ogre [2d?\]: j6
]
;W[in]
;B[kl]
;W[lh]C[lmaJoking [6k\]: thats a risky ko
wansenhe [1d\]: !!!
]
;B[ml]C[trebleclef [1k\]: @@
forte [5k\]: nice
ogre [2d?\]: b needs h12
fireball [1k\]: oo
lmaJoking [6k\]: not if he can win ko
ogre [2d?\]: at least w has a chance
lmaJoking [6k\]: b is confident 0.o
icewater [1k\]: no danger for black
icewater [1k\]: black could have connected at k9
icewater [1k\]: and lived
]
;W[ro]C[ogre [2d?\]: no danger for b huh?
forte [5k\]: but then W gets to cut at n12
lmaJoking [6k\]: -.-
Soromon [1d\]: White desperate, black ahead by 10?
lmaJoking [6k\]: did b misread or something?
daye [4d\]: s5 should be at t7 first
icewater [1k\]: black n14 if white n13
ogre [2d?\]: w gets to chop some stuff in the middle
Micael [2k\]: b cant let w take ko
shoutan [2d?\]: now I think white will come back
lmaJoking [6k\]: no really ><
daye [4d\]: s5 only one ko threat, t7 two
shoutan [2d?\]: white will be able to N12 N13
ogre [2d?\]: b can let w take ko
lmaJoking [6k\]: w has too many threats anywhere
shoutan [2d?\]: take 2 stones
magocbi [6k\]: is there something as big as m7?
tdtd: White pwned black
icewater [1k\]: black will just connect at k9 after black takes ko back
]
;B[rn]C[shoutan [2d?\]: b will have to let w take N12 N13
]
;W[ll]
;B[jk]C[lmaJoking [6k\]: h11 is sente
icewater [1k\]: now blac khas n12 and h12 miai
]
;W[mh]C[icewater [1k\]: no danger
lmaJoking [6k\]: on nvm
lmaJoking [6k\]: lol
lmaJoking [6k\]: i missed f8
shoutan [2d?\]: after N13
shoutan [2d?\]: white wins
]
;B[ml]C[wansenhe [1d\]: game over
]
;W[nk]C[forte [5k\]: now W captures M13 stones
tdtd: whitw pwned black
lmaJoking [6k\]: h12
tdtd: black just go owned\\
lmaJoking [6k\]: b till lives with h12 no?
trebleclef [1k\]: um
trebleclef [1k\]: isn't g10 kill?
]
;B[hh]C[daye [4d\]: b n10 miscalculate
lmaJoking [6k\]: its all good
lmaJoking [6k\]: -.-
shoutan [2d?\]: black stupid
icewater [1k\]: black still ahead
Soromon [1d\]: w n13 now?
strong10k [-\]: 2 cuts
ogre [2d?\]: p14?
sivananda [2d\]: SE says black +8
lmaJoking [6k\]: n13 and p12 are miai no?
]
;W[of]C[BlitzOff [4k?\]: shave and a haircut, two bits!
tdtd: wow
]
;B[pg]C[tdtd: that song is old
]
;W[mg]C[BlitzOff [4k?\]: dont judge me
]
;B[pa]C[ogre [2d?\]: yeah thats old
]
;W[oa]
;B[ra]C[tdtd: whatever
tdtd: just sayin though
]
;W[ob]C[ethanb [2d?\]: never heard the original, only references to it in cartoons and movies
icewater [1k\]: white did well but black got p2
ethanb [2d?\]: is there somewhere I could find a recording?
ogre [2d?\]: yeah probably on uhh
ogre [2d?\]: forget the site name
tdtd: black should be better than white
ethanb [2d?\]: lol
sivananda [2d\]: e18 is big now
tdtd: jk
jipi1980 [7k\]: q12?
tdtd: he should go to a19
lmaJoking [6k\]: a15 isnt too bad for b
haiku [1d\]: B still ahead?
ogre [2d?\]: http://www.juneberry78s.com/
shoutan [2d?\]: no
ogre [2d?\]: maybe at this site?
tdtd: no
ogre [2d?\]: ehtanb
shoutan [2d?\]: b losing
daye [4d\]: too close now to say who will win
SunnyD [3d\]: why this is so late?
shoutan [2d?\]: e18 p11 miai
forte [5k\]: It's in Colorado
SunnyD [3d\]: players need juice at this time to concentrate
forte [5k\]: and Eric plays sloooow...
PartyCrshr [4d\]: white wins
lmaJoking [6k\]: b is sitll ahead a little..?
]
;B[ni]C[Soromon [1d\]: Yea I think W ahead now.
strong10k [-\]: did you count?
Soromon [1d\]: Yep.
sivananda [2d\]: very close
]
;W[nh]C[Soromon [1d\]: q15
]
;B[oi]C[Tabemasu [6d\]: W wins now
]
;W[pe]C[Tabemasu [6d\]: Haha
]
;B[qd]C[tdtd: black shoulda won
Tabemasu [6d\]: His sequence was too good
ogre [2d?\]: that was an amazing turnaround
ethanb [2d?\]: ogre: I'm looking, thanks :)
PartyCrshr [4d\]: e18
]
;W[am]C[BlitzOff [4k?\]: good enough to just gobble up Tabemasu?
]
;B[an]C[Tabemasu [6d\]: Haha
]
;W[do]C[forte [5k\]: heh, I get it
tdtd: u shoulda just typed lol its faster and saves time
sivananda [2d\]: now se says b+16
]
;B[bo]C[SunnyD [3d\]: lolol
tdtd: rofl
lmaJoking [6k\]: d5 was like 2 poitns right?
]
;W[os]
;B[ns]C[tdtd: no way
forte [5k\]: SE doesn't work on anything other than Japanese counting
]
;W[ps]
;B[lr]C[lmaJoking [6k\]: otherwise wouldnt w eventually have to fill e7?
grumpyjoe [-\]: b5?
tdtd: no way
]
;W[sh]C[lmaJoking [6k\]: how so
tdtd: cause
tdtd: i
tdtd: said
tdtd: so
SunnyD [3d\]: where is jie from??
ogre [2d?\]: poor b
]
;B[sf]C[lmaJoking [6k\]: 0.o
lmaJoking [6k\]: ok
]
;W[eb]
;B[ae]C[tdtd: its
tdtd: T_T
tdtd: not 0.o
]
;W[bf]C[icewater [1k\]: W + 4.5
]
;B[sl]
;W[sk]C[shoutan [2d?\]: black should have H12 while w did N9 if he wants to be simple
forte [5k\]: there aren't half points here, komi is 8
]
;B[sm]C[ogre [2d?\]: but jigo is w win
icewater [1k\]: well...aga komi is 7.5
faintvoice [1k\]: d9 d9 
ogre [2d?\]: same as half point
forte [5k\]: and this is ing counting
]
;W[qe]C[icewater [1k\]: i see
]
;B[re]
;W[oe]C[Tabemasu [6d\]: Isn't jigo blacks win with ING counting
strong10k [-\]: could be a .5 game
lmaJoking [6k\]: p12
forte [5k\]: I don't know
icewater [1k\]: yeah should be black's win
]
;B[rk]
;W[sj]C[ogre [2d?\]: tabemasu wouldnt that make komi 7 points instead of 8 then?
forte [5k\]: Someone told me last year what happens with jigo, but I don't remember
]
;B[pl]
;W[qk]C[ogre [2d?\]: oh wait im backwards arent i
ogre [2d?\]: lol
strong10k [-\]: d9
icewater [1k\]: why r9?
]
;B[eq]C[Blitzbold [1d\]: two questions: 1) do these players have kgs accs? 2) since when exists the rank of ama 8d?
icewater [1k\]: better at p10?
]
;W[ge]C[icewater [1k\]: can't believe white did not get e3
strong10k [-\]: d9
]
;B[fh]C[ogre [2d?\]: p10 is sente
PR3005 [2k?\]: 1,tes
N4KED [1d\]: throw in
PR3005 [2k?\]: 1,yes
]
;W[oq]
;B[nr]C[N4KED [1d\]: r9 is throw in
ogre [2d?\]: for w
tunafsh [4k\]: p10 is gote
Micael [2k\]: blitzbold. that was answered earlier.. mistake was made... eric is 7d
Micael [2k\]: ama
twotwothr [4d\]: i can't believe white didn't get e3
ogre [2d?\]: why is p10 gote for w
icewater [1k\]: p10 is sente for white
ogre [2d?\]: eat p11 dont matter?
Blitzbold [1d\]: maybe was answrered earlier - but i just oined... :)
Blitzbold [1d\]: j
lmaJoking [6k\]: p10 is gote
strong10k [-\]: at least take the sente plays when game is this close
tunafsh [4k\]: wp10, black p12
]
;W[oj]C[ogre [2d?\]: maybe p11 is not worth points for some reason
haiku [1d\]: D 9
lmaJoking [6k\]: after p12 w needs to defend
SunnyD [3d\]: S14
]
;B[oh]C[ogre [2d?\]: oah yea good one
]
;W[kh]C[tunafsh [4k\]: aaaaand gote
]
;B[dk]C[twotwothr [4d\]: d9 
Micael [2k\]: why s9 and not t9?
]
;W[dl]C[ogre [2d?\]: than u tunafish
strong10k [-\]: a12
icewater [1k\]: yes p10 ended up being gote for white ;)
]
;B[ah]
;W[qs]C[tunafsh [4k\]: w has a great ko threat for t1, now :) but it was gote
]
;B[da]
;W[fa]C[haiku [1d\]: I would say B winnig by nose
]
;B[sg]
;W[si]C[ErikE [5k\]: SE says b+14
lmaJoking [6k\]: 0.o
ogre [2d?\]: w wins t1 ko right?
]
;B[rf]C[forte [5k\]: and SE doesn't work with anything other than Japanese counting
SunnyD [3d\]: who is jije??
ErikE [5k\]: ahh
ogre [2d?\]: oh w just t1
ogre [2d?\]: m8
strong10k [-\]: l8
ogre [2d?\]: same 
Soromon [1d\]: game recorder exploding as they fight the t1 ko and fill in threats
Soromon [1d\]: and then do dame
forte [5k\]: no, just 2 kos
SunnyD [3d\]: they are counting already
forte [5k\]: it's really pretty simple
USGO4 [-\]: last moves not recorded---now counting
daye [4d\]: each one get one, no fight
forte [5k\]: and recorder doesn't really have to record dame
Soromon [1d\]: White won the ko in bottom right.
SunnyD [3d\]: lui went to bathroom break before counting
odnihs [-\]: w+3?
Soromon [1d\]: I'd bet my life on it.
USGO4 [-\]: actaually, they count in Ing counting
ogre [2d?\]: i wonder if b responded to m8 wrong
Micael [2k\]: i have around same w+3
ErikE [5k\]: ok, w + 3 or 2+4
ogre [2d?\]: seems like he rresisted hard and it made it worse
ErikE [5k\]: w+4 that is
icewater [1k\]: w+4
SunnyD [3d\]: yup, ogea, don't hold it in, it's bad for the kidney
daye [4d\]: winning games ends up losing, is it wrong?
Micael [2k\]: still dont get why b played s9 instead of t10
Soromon [1d\]: looks like W+#
FakeBeauty [-\]: How come SE says black by 10?
USGO4 [-\]: White wins by 3 points
odnihs [-\]: :D
fireball [1k\]: lo
fireball [1k\]: lol
ErikE [5k\]: it doesn't do komi correctly
ZothOmmog [4k\]: what are they thinking about?
ogre [2d?\]: brb bathroom
strong10k [-\]: no komi added to SE
forte [5k\]: no, SE doesn't do territory counting properly
ErikE [5k\]: why do you need to tell us?
strong10k [-\]: but still should be like b+ 6.5
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